Texas!

[PiPboy]

Not only is texas the 2nd largest state in the U.S
It has almost every type of environment you want.
-Deserts
-Mountains
-Hills
-Marshland
-Rural
-Urban

The plus sides it borders mexico [possible escape] and has a huge port [another possible escape]. Giving a possibility of "escape" to another area for a possible sequel.
NASA for pilfering sate-lights and rockets.
A Huge port [Houston] for a possible escape.
Quite a few military bases for weapons,

The Alamo.... I don't know, Just cause its their and lots of Heroes died their. Good historical reference. James Bowie and Davy Crocket.

[Comrade Snarky]

I'm not aware of any Post-Apoc games that have any overt Western/cowboy/frontier overtones.
Certainly not a bad direction, really.

[Ausir]

I'm not aware of any Post-Apoc games that have any overt Western/cowboy/frontier overtones.
Certainly not a bad direction, really.

Fallout: New Vegas does have some of that, actually.

[Remachinate]

I'm not sure why anyone would troll on this forum, but I don't think any setting has more parallels with post-apoc than the old west. The isolation; lawlessness; harsh, barren terrain; and feeling of the unexplored are hallmarks of westerns, and I find them all prominently featured in almost all post-apoc games I've played. Not to say that Wasteland 2 shouldn't continue that tradition, it's just not exactly a new feature.

[juGGa]

Well it shouldn't feel like they are playing old west, like in New Vegas. But I do like the deserts and big plains, that's where post-apocalyptic games belong.

And don't make cities too close to each other!

[PiPboy]

Hey Texas is not a desert!! Reguardless of popular opinion and movies.

Only 1/3 of texas is a desert. The rest is Urban Sprawl \ marsh land \ Rolling Hills \ Mountains.
It has the most varied landscape of any state. You also have unique climatic factors. Tornados \ Dust Storms \ Hail \ Hurricanes \ Earth Quakes. Just cause the world has gone to hell. Doesn't mean nature has any changes. With Huricanes constantly hitting the cost yearly, it could provide some unique enviromental strategy.

A 60% decrease in vision, 40% decrease in speed. 40% decrease in accuracy, when on the outside when a hurricane hits
Etc. Etc. Dust storms could cause weapons to degrade much faster.

If you want Urban enviroments. Dallas has military bases and silicon valley area.
While Houston has massive urban sprawl [Being 3rd \ 4th largest city in the U,S]

Houston also has one of the largest medical centers \ facilities in the world.
Hence a great story element to maybe find cure \ treatment for something.

Also it borders mexico. Normally people would be escaping to U.S but since Russia and U.S fought and both countries are basically destroyed one another. Best thing to do is escape south to south america. Since more then likely Canada supported U.S they would be in Bad Shape too. Russia would have a few supporters in South America but they would be less war ravaged, an tad safer.

Or their maybe an invasion from the south, since Russia has supporters. For example maybe from Venezuela or Cuba.

[juGGa]

Hey Texas is not a desert!! Reguardless of popular opinion and movies.

Only 1/3 of texas is a desert. The rest is Urban Sprawl \ marsh land \ Rolling Hills \ Mountains.

Yeah, but I just realized that everything is probably going to be dry like a desert. Like in wasteland and fallout.

[PiPboy]

Thats why I mentioned because of the unique enviroment.
The costal area of texas will never be a dry desert. Because of the natural huricane weather patterns as well as 2 major rivers. Even with global warming i will rich teaming with plant life and water.

I would think the world has gone backwards.
So what does that mean? Where did the first settlements appear? In the Mesopotamia basin region, because of its rich water supply. So more then likely people will be moving and making cities in Costal \ River areas. In terms of survival.

This is a practical approach to a dystopian society.
One amazing rendition is I am Legend - starring will smith.
The world has gone to hell, but you see nature growing and taking back what has been lost. If you look at Chernobyl youll notice its one of the worst nuclear disasters. But its not as if their are no plants. Infact plants are destroying buildings and taking over the abaondend city.

They should shake up the approach of post - nuclear world. To a more realistic approach,

I wouldn't mind comedy such as Talking Dogs and Giant Lizards. Though I doubt that was part of the original wasteland.

[juGGa]

I am a legend and Chernobyl didn't have exploded atomic bombs. The shockwave rips everything apart and the radiation kills the plants. Erosion happens and the place turns into a desert of a sort. But water still stays.

I am no scientist, but this is probably how it's going to happen.

[PiPboy]

What your talking about is the Shockwave not the radiation.
That only happens to the epicenter and thats also based on how many kiloton a bomb is. This can be as small as 5 - 10 miles.

Also shockwave would only effect the city not the neighbouring area. While the radiation will be launched into the sky and effect a larger area. No one would want to live near the epicenter of a nuclear bomb drop. So they would be living in dispersed areas.

Chernobyl is an example of an area of massive ammount of nuclear fallout, as well as small shockwave.

[juGGa]

What your talking about is the Shockwave not the radiation.
That only happens to the epicenter and thats also based on how many kiloton a bomb is. This can be as small as 5 - 10 miles.

Also shockwave would only effect the city not the neighbouring area. While the radiation will be launched into the sky and effect a larger area. No one would want to live near the epicenter of a nuclear bomb drop. So they would be living in dispersed areas.

Chernobyl is an example of an area of massive ammount of nuclear fallout, as well as small shockwave.

I was mostly talking about radiation. Both gamma radiation and nuclear fallouts "devastate the affected ecosystem years after the initial exposure." And the fallout could be even 280 miles long. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fallout

[PiPboy]

oh i am more then aware of the effects of nuclear fallout. It was one of my history projects. But the center of mass of the nuclear fallout will be arround the bomb site. Not everyone in U.S would be nuked but their will be tons of nuclear fallout.

But i am kind of confused how we got here from How Awesome Texas would be for the site of WL2:P

But anyway, to get to a more scientific accuracies. There are certain vegetation in Hiroshima and Nagasaki that prominently survived the bombs. http://kwanten.home.xs4all.nl/hiroshima.htm

Also if you read various topics of deep rooted plants also will survive also because radiation will have a harder time penetrating the dirt. Also fungi has a high mutation rate which can adapt much more quickly after a bomb. Also because of the death and destruction of all the Eukariotic life, this allows fungus to spread like anything. So technically we would be seeing alot of fungus in these areas.

Their is a great documentary Life after people - History channel
Pictures of Chernobyl even with high radiation levels this day
http://www.webcrawlerblog.com/history/c ... ter-people

[PiPboy]

Hah Yay Texas and Arizona
A Quote from Update 8 from Brian Fargo

And lastly I wanted to include a description of the Desert Rangers background, as many players are not familiar with them:

On the same day that the U.S. and Soviet Union were attempting to extinguish each other, a company of U.S. Army Engineers were in the southwestern deserts building transportation bridges over dry riverbeds. They worked deep in the inhospitable desert valleys, surrounded by a number of survivalist communities. Located directly south of their position on that day was a newly-constructed federal prison. In addition to housing the nation’s criminals condemned to death, the prison contained light industrial manufacturing facilities.

Shortly after the nuclear attack began, the Engineers, seeking shelter, took over the federal prison and expelled the prisoners into the desolate desert to complete their sentences. As the weeks passed, they invited the nearby survivalist communities to join them and to help them build a new society. Because of each community’s suspicions towards one another, times were difficult at first. But as time nurtured trust, this settlement -- which came to be known as Ranger Center -- grew to be one of the strongest outposts. Ranger Center even proved powerful enough to repel the hands of rancorous criminals who repeatedly attacked in attempts to reclaim what was once “rightfully theirs.”

The citizens of Ranger Center, after first believing that they were the only ones who survived the nuclear maelstrom, soon realized that communities beyond the desert’s grip had also survived, Because they had such success in constructing a new community, they felt compelled to help other survivors rebuild and live in peace.

Toward this end, the Desert Rangers, in the great tradition of the Texas and Arizona Rangers a century before, were born.

B.F

[Bloodshard]

Hay if we get Texas can we please have Oklahoma to? Ya its smaller than Texas by a lot, but Oklahoma really is not on most people's radar for bombing targets, so it could get missed all together. It would be a fun contrast of environment to have OKC (Oklahoma City) not be a nuked out shell. I actually know of a lot of places that would never get hit, in every state.

[CaptainPatch]

... but Oklahoma really is not on most people's radar for bombing targets, so it could get missed all together.

Fort Sill (Lawton, OK)
McAlester Army Ammo Plant (Pittsburg County, OK)
Altus Air Force Base (Altus, OK)
Vance Air Force Base (Enid, OK)
Tinker Air Force Base (Oklahoma City, OK)

Sorry. Oklahoma City didn't make it.

[Bloodshard]

... but Oklahoma really is not on most people's radar for bombing targets, so it could get missed all together.

Fort Sill (Lawton, OK)
McAlester Army Ammo Plant (Pittsburg County, OK)
Altus Air Force Base (Altus, OK)
Vance Air Force Base (Enid, OK)
Tinker Air Force Base (Oklahoma City, OK)

Sorry. Oklahoma City didn't make it.

OK I did gloss over the listed above, but from what I have read and learned from my dad a retired Army LTC. Oklahoma is about 4th or 5th tier target. I don't know how many targets are in each tier but assuming that the list doubles every tier there could be a couple hundred targets needing hit before tier 4. Not to mention the targets outside the USA.

EDIT: you happy now?

[krellen]

While they sound the same, the spelling you want in this case is "tier". Targets are arrayed in tiers, while tears well in your eyes because your home town is in a high tier.