Over the top with mature themes.

[Srift]

I miss those days where mature themes were in video games. It seems they have gone now due to huge business' wanting to make money and targeting every audience. We need violence, gambling, sex, you name it. This is what interested me in Fallout, Wasteland etc.. a harsh world and you have to survive it.

[Magistic]

Yes, completely agree! Make it edgy!

[Akira28]

This game is the answer to everything the gaming market has done wrong. Bowdlerization and flattening of themes and ideas is a crime and this game and it's future success is the example to show publishers where they went wrong. This is a game that is not for kids, and we don't expect kids to seek it out and play it. It won't be marketed for kids, so mature themes should be the general idea. Mature themes for mature gamers, many of whom have been waiting for a sequel since 88 . Death and consequences. Fun and seriousness all in one.

[Shaewaros]

"Mature" doesn't only means sex, death and money. I agree that these things should be present in the game, but not too over the top. It's not like in times of misfortune all people turn into vicious animals that howl for blood in the moon light. Some of the most humane actions can also be witnessed in these kind of environments - a person sharing his last piece of bread with a complete stranger etc. In other words, the whole spectrum of human nature should be presented in a realistic and mature way.

[homeslice82]

"Over the top" would be bad. I want a game that's mature in the real sense: something intended for adults, not teenage boys. Fallout 1 or Planescape: Torment were great examples, and the latter wasn't even rated M. "Over the top" adult themes aren't mature--on the contrary, they're incredibly immature. Look at contemporary garbage like House of the Dead: Overkill, Bulletstorm, Mafia II and the like. They lack any kind of sophistication.

Give me a game that an adult can play without wincing.

[undecaf]

"Mature" doesn't only means sex, death and money. I agree that these things should be present in the game, but not too over the top. It's not like in times of misfortune all people turn into vicious animals that howl for blood in the moon light. Some of the most humane actions can also be witnessed in these kind of environments - a person sharing his last piece of bread with a complete stranger etc. In other words, the whole spectrum of human nature should be presented in a realistic and mature way.

Very much agreed.

Adult oriented themes handled in a mature fashion.

[Themanhimself]

I'm not sure "Mature" is what the original was. It was actually really funny and satirical. Like Highpool- the first town ran by a bunch of mutant children. You could slip on the rocks and the children would laugh at you, then you could kill them. Once you did however RED RYDER (40's western icon) appeared out of nowhere and tried to kill you.

It should have a nice balance of realism, and door codes that gender swap your party.

[LateWhiteRabbit]

"Over the top" would be bad. I want a game that's mature in the real sense: something intended for adults, not teenage boys. ..... Give me a game that an adult can play without wincing.

I second this, SO MUCH. Those of us that are fans of the original Wasteland and Fallout are well into adulthood at this point. Give us a game that handles mature themes and situations in an appropriate manner. I think Wasteland 2 should have sex, drugs, gambling, and violence, but I want it presented in a serious and straight-foward way, not as something a teenage boy would snicker at.

[Gazz]

Yes. No Beavis & Butthead "mature" content.

[IDDQD]

Player reputations...

If i want to kill a child i should be able to and it should have an impact in the game as with child killer or grave digger. Because if I am going to be evil at least give my imagination some options to play around with and not a point a-b "evil" story line.

[brishingr01]

Maturity themes, are in fact things thank make you think is this okay. Either taken an ehtics class?

Well I do like the idea, but it has to be done right, myself I want choices that make you sweat ^^.

[Jasede]

I'm all for this, but don't make it trash-edgy either. Games like Mass Effect that just try to be badass, but fall flat. And don't overdo the sex and such like Duke Nukem Forever or Fallout 2 did. Moderation will make it far more potent.

[CraigStern]

"Over the top" would be bad. I want a game that's mature in the real sense: something intended for adults, not teenage boys. ..... Give me a game that an adult can play without wincing.

I second this, SO MUCH. Those of us that are fans of the original Wasteland and Fallout are well into adulthood at this point. Give us a game that handles mature themes and situations in an appropriate manner. I think Wasteland 2 should have sex, drugs, gambling, and violence, but I want it presented in a serious and straight-foward way, not as something a teenage boy would snicker at.

I third. There can be humor in the game (in fact, I'd prefer at least some), but I don't want the fourth wall broken. I want to take this setting seriously while I play.

[Aradael]

I'd like to avoid unkillable NPCs (children, etc) And pretending sex, drugs, and murder don't exist to make a cleaner more friendly game has become the norm for most games these days. I'd like to see a return to when customers could decide if they wanted to expose themselves to such content by either purchasing the game or passing on it, like most adults do for everything else.

[BrotherMagneto]

Very much agreed.

Adult oriented themes handled in a mature fashion.

Bingo. I don't want a game that mimics the horrors I can see on the news just for the sake of having it. I'm not looking for Hostel: The Videogame. I want a game that handles mature themes in a mature fashion, not reveling in them for the sake of it like what passes for "mature" to a 14-year-old.

[Waymer]

We mustn't forget that a humorous atmosphere is just as important as a mature atmosphere.

If the game were 100% serious and mature then it would be rather depressing and/ or boring.
We and the devs still need some indulgences, and times to just sit back and laugh at a hilariously absurd situation.

[Tanglebones]

"Mature" doesn't only means sex, death and money. I agree that these things should be present in the game, but not too over the top. It's not like in times of misfortune all people turn into vicious animals that howl for blood in the moon light. Some of the most humane actions can also be witnessed in these kind of environments - a person sharing his last piece of bread with a complete stranger etc. In other words, the whole spectrum of human nature should be presented in a realistic and mature way.

"Over the top" would be bad. I want a game that's mature in the real sense: something intended for adults, not teenage boys. Fallout 1 or Planescape: Torment were great examples, and the latter wasn't even rated M. "Over the top" adult themes aren't mature--on the contrary, they're incredibly immature. Look at contemporary garbage like House of the Dead: Overkill, Bulletstorm, Mafia II and the like. They lack any kind of sophistication.

Give me a game that an adult can play without wincing.

You two have basically outlined what I mean when I say I want a "mature" game.

[zilfin]

Gimme my Whorehouses, Saloons, guts and gore, filty language, immoral acts and a Church on top a a hill, with a big neon cross.

[skuphundaku]

Player reputations...

If i want to kill a child i should be able to and it should have an impact in the game as with child killer or grave digger. Because if I am going to be evil at least give my imagination some options to play around with and not a point a-b "evil" story line.

Player reputation is good, but it should be handled more realistically than in Fallout 1&2. If you dig up a grave or kill a kid in one corner of the world map it doesn't make sense for absolutely everyone, everywhere on the world map, to be aware of that fact. Some kind of realistic epidemic propagation model could be used depending on your actions. If you have a habbit of killing and raping whole towns and leaving just a few alive to tell the tale, that information should spread like wildfire. But if you dig up a grave at night in an abandoned cementery, nobody should be able, realistically speaking, to find out.

[Rorim]

Mature content, for the mature players! Please don't design this for kids! Oldmen like myself wanna play this!