Certificates of completion

[Zombra]

Bragging rights, nothing else. Does the olympic runner need that medal? No, it gives him bragging rights, something to show and brag about.

But why do they bother pressing a medal out of gold? That's expensive! Why don't they just write winnar on a piece of cardboard with a crayon? Is there a difference?

[Mandemon]

Bragging rights, nothing else. Does the olympic runner need that medal? No, it gives him bragging rights, something to show and brag about.

But why do they bother pressing a medal out of gold? That's expensive! Why don't they just write winnar on a piece of cardboard with a crayon? Is there a difference?

Nope. It's all in your head *whirls finger around his head*

Seriously, all the value of these medals, papers etc. is purely sentimental.

You know those medal given to soldiers? You could give paper and it's the same thing. However, due to combination of tradition, sentimental value and bragging rights mentality, you give them medals.

[Zombra]

OK. So your position is that nothing should ever be fancy. Duly noted. I think there may be one or two people in the world who disagree.

[CaptainPatch]

When you get right down to it, there are really just two kinds of award recipients: Those that care about such things and those that don't. And it seems that neither side is capable of understanding the other side's preference. To someone that does NOT care about receiving awards, it seems like "Much Ado About Nothing". To someone that _does_ care, those that don't care seem like "dead fish", heartless, cold, emotionally detached, etc..

"Different strokes for different folks." Just put it out there and let those that DO care revel in the moment. Those that don't can simply ignore the option.

[Zombra]

*Applause for the Captain*

In the same vein, I just had an idea: t-shirts. "I killed the Scorpitron in Wasteland 2." Where you had to redeem a code to even be allowed to buy it. I would so spend money on that.

[Mandemon]

I said this before, and I say it again.

I'm with Captain Patch.

I don't see the point, but if someone insist then give the the chance. I just see a waste of time and money, but that's just me.

[FeelTheRads]

Mandemon, we got it, you don't like it. How many times do you have to say it? Does it offend you as much as killable children that nobody is allowed to have it just because you don't like it?

It doesn't affect the game in any way. And, I'm not sure if Interplay or Fargo himself ever did this, but I'm sure his hand wouldn't fall off from signing those. I haven't heard of Jon Van Caneghem, for example, losing his hand over signing certificates of completion.

Your vote is "no". Good. Noted. Goodbye now.

[Zombra]

Hey, don't slam down on him when he finally says that's just his opinion

As for Brian's signature, I wouldn't expect that. If I had my wish, it would just be on thick paper, with nice art, an embossed Desert Rangers symbol, maybe a little gold leaf if we wanted to go really deluxe, and something handwritten to indicate that someone from inXile touched it. "Congrats Zombra! Signed, Joey, mail room."

[CaptainPatch]

Hey, don't slam down on him when he finally says that's just his opinion

+1

[Valka]

This thread gives me an idea for the T-shirt suggestion thread; "Someone completed Wasteland 2 and all i got was this lousy radiation sickness"

[Mandemon]

FeelTheRads, you might want to READ MY POST. I said I'm with Captain Patch. If they want, give it to them. I don't see the point, but if you want to have game printable congratulation certificate, ok.

And don't draw fights from other threads in to this one.

[FeelTheRads]

No, this is NOT about a printable certificate. It's about sending a request (most efficient would be to do it online) for the certificate and get one signed and/or stamped in the mail.
This is what I was talking about and this is the request.

If you just print it, it's not the same. Don't understand it? Fine. Again: Goodbye.

[Mandemon]

Thank you. Your opinion has been noted. Good bye then.

As for back to matter in hand, I wonder how much time this would tie with Inxile? I mean if these papers include signatures or other special thing that can't be simply printed? How much would these things cost? I doubt price per paper is that high, but how many request could we expect? If we assume that single paper cost, let's say, 1/2 dollars, then for 50 000 people would mean 5 000 dollars. Not much on corporate level, but we do not know how much Inxile is going to profit from the game. If game does not bring enough profit, those papers would need to be bought on team members own money.

[FeelTheRads]

Thank you. Your opinion has been noted. Now leave, thank you.

DERP. I IIMITATE YOUR POSTS IM SO SMART.

Man, you really want to push my buttons, don't you? Why exactly are you in this forum anyway besides trolling? Doesn't look it will be a game for you anyway. And it would certainly do the game a lot of good if your opinions wouldn't be here, just in case they get picked up by mistake by the developers.

I created this topic with MY suggestion. Don't like it, go away.

And I said from the start that just who asks for this would get it. So not everybody. And who asks for it would have to pay for it. So no cost for inXile. You're just babbling mindlessly again, grasping for anything just to win a non-argument.
Look who's talking about bringing in fights from other topics. You didn't even read my post, just decided to go "NO NO NO" because it was my suggestion.

In short: It's either "I like" or "I don't like". That's all. Please spare us your financial prowess.

[Mandemon]

It's called DISCUSSION. In case you didn't notice, I have right to disagree and I am not trolling. I am simply, discussing the matter.

Because I do not see the point of said certificate, but I do accept that some might want it, I wondered the possible time and cost required from Inxile do such certificate, process them and send them. What is someone lives outside US? The postal cost must also be remembered.

Since game has not done any profit yet, there are already potentially 60 00+ future request for certificate, I wonder that since this already aimed for niche if the game can raise enough money to cover the cost.

Assuming game sells for 15 dollars, this means at least 300+ copies sold to cover the backers. Then the we need money for those 300+, around 150+, which means 10 more, which bring 5 more, AKA one sold copy, leads to about 456+ copies needed to at least sold to reach "more potential money earned than potentially spend". Yes, the number is small, but is my assumption that the largest part of possible customers have already bought the game, trough backing.

It is very likely I am wrong, but this is a matter that needs to be noted. Who knows, maybe game because popular world wide, so this would be problem money wise. However, how much times would each print and signature/stamp take to make? Signatures take longer and one man can't just keep writing them all the time either. Then there is to consider how long this offer stands? A year? Two? Five? When it becomes impossible to gain said certificate?

[Zombra]

As for back to matter in hand, I wonder how much time this would tie with Inxile? I mean if these papers include signatures or other special thing that can't be simply printed? How much would these things cost? I doubt price per paper is that high, but how many request could we expect?

That's a good point. They would want to buy in bulk up front, and if they had no idea on response numbers, it could definitely be a losing proposition for them. Not to mention the development labor to do the coding.

I would pay a buck or two for one, but that clearly wouldn't make inXile a profit on a single unit. A lot of people would have to be prepared to kick out a couple bucks for theirs to make it happen.

Then again, maybe blowing a couple hundred bucks of their budget on a big box of fancy paper and an embossing tool wouldn't be a big deal either. Who knows, I'm not an economist

[Mandemon]

Yes, it all depends on cost and time per paper and possible demand. Since the game has yet to make any profit, but already has the customers, it is a risky way. Also, how do you confirm that the request for certificate is real and not fake? That someone didn't hack the game?

[FeelTheRads]

It is very likely I am wrong, but this is a matter that needs to be noted. Who knows, maybe game because popular world wide, so this would be problem money wise. However, how much times would each print and signature/stamp take to make? Signatures take longer and one man can't just keep writing them all the time either. Then there is to consider how long this offer stands? A year? Two? Five? When it becomes impossible to gain said certificate?

Yes, it all depends on cost and time per paper and possible demand.

I edited my previous post, in case you ever decide to read it.

Money is NOT an issue for inXile if you pay for it. So, no more financial forecasts, please. Stop trying to bring pointless stuff into the discussion just because you think it makes you sound smart.

And a man CAN do it. This was done before. You're not gonna win an argument by simply denying FACTS. Just so you know.

And any of this is for the team to decide. Not you. Definitely NOT you. This is just about whether you're in for it or not. Not to share your deep knowledge of finances.

Also, how do you confirm that the request for certificate is real and not fake? That someone didn't hack the game?

Not your business. Not the point of the discussion. It was done before, it can be done again. You're trying way too hard and failing miserably. Except at trolling and at straw-mans, that is.

[Mandemon]

Calm down man. We can discuss this in calm manner too.

They need to buy those paper before the orders arrive, not after it. If there is less those who want certificate than paper bought, especially if price if kept low enough to make it something you would buy without spending afternoon thinking "Do I really need this?", would those individuals be able to cover the cost of bought paper? If that paper cost 5 dollars, would you just drop the money for what amounts a slightly more concrete achievement(My point of view, of course, someone sees it different no doubt)?

Doesn't change the matter of time. How much would this tie up either Brian Fargos time or Inxile team member time? How long would the need to have someone signing/stamping these papers? if they do them in advance, we return to point one: Is there enough demand for these papers to justify the cost+time they demand?

Then there the matter of distance too. Yes, person could pay for it himself, but is the price same for everyone? Does a player in America get it cheaper than player in Europe? Would this be fair for either one? Or would this paper be even avaible outside US?

EDIT

Also, these forums are more than just "My idea. Agree or STFU". You can post an idea, but other can also talk about it.

BTW, I didn't check the poster. I just read the OP and posted my opinion. From there, we got here. You can call me names and blame for trolling, when it's you who has been hostile all this time. I don't care who post the idea, what I care is the idea itself. So I am not targeting you specifically in case you are wondering.

[Zombra]

Also, how do you confirm that the request for certificate is real and not fake? That someone didn't hack the game?

I can think of one or two starting points on that. For sponsors, key it to their Kickstarter account. Generate a unique redemption code based on their email address. Something like that.

But really, I don't think claim legitimacy is a big issue. If someone hacks a code and wants to pay for a certificate, I don't really care. More money for inXile. It'd be similar to going to the trophy shop and getting a big gold one made saying Heavyweight Champ or whatever you wanted, and then pretending you earned it. OK, Joe Hacker, I guess you can do that if you really want to. The trophy shop owner will be delighted to oblige.