Some looks back at contemporary propaganda

[AgentTate]

That tends to smack of retcon and lazy writing. Instead of working within the world they created, they just backpedal and undo the inconvenient things.

Isn't RETCON how Harry Potter was written? Didn't seem to harm that endeavor too much.
(Of course there were werewolves the whole time, etc.)

Ug. Please don't put Wasteland and Harry Potter together in once sentence.

[Drool]

Isn't RETCON how Harry Potter was written? Didn't seem to harm that endeavor too much.
(Of course there were werewolves the whole time, etc.)

No, it was a lack of an editor that made the later books unreadable.

[Woolfe]

The battery life on a prius is very short. Or it was, I must admit I haven't looked lately. Either way I don't think they would last 70+ years.
GPS is gone. ALL the worlds satelites were destroyed.... Kinda what led to the whole nuclear annihilation thing... Did you read the stuff people posted???

Well, the battery a prius comes wth is short. But batteries can be replaced, no?

Generally no. These sort of batteries are actually quite difficult and expensive to do at the moment, it is why they are not in everything.

And couldn't there just be one-three satellites still up there in Geo-sync orbit? Maybe a few survived? Or, if there's no satellite GPS, well -- couldn' there be other methods for Global Positioning? Could be based on magnetic fields, sun and moon (and other planets) gravity or light, or maybe something no one has thought of? Defunct towers, landmarks, etc? (I have no idea -- it's why it's scifi, no?)

Nope, if there was some other system, they would have known what was going on and the war wouldn't have happened.
The issue here is you obviously hadn't read anything about the game before you started in. You started talking about elements that had been specifically mentioned in the original(GPS). Thus everyone shot you down over it, as it was obvious you hadn't played or even researched the original much.
This is something a lot of us don't like, and in a way this Kickstarter was specifically designed to avoid. We don't want retconning, we want continuity.

While I understand folks have posted that it's all gone & it's before modern tech, how hard is it to accept that the game might vary a bit? "There are no more X anymore" and then suddenly, "Actually, there is still one X remaining!" etc. In fact, for many of these post-apocalyptic games, finding the one remaining X tends to be a theme, no?

The problem is, you have Tech, Resources, Knowledge and Need gaps to fill. So You have to have the tech to do it, you have to have the resources to do it, you have to have the knowledge to do it, and finally the need to do it. The last is somewhat the most important, if you get no tangible benefit, why would you expend the resources doing it. Now in the case of the Energy weapons and power packs used for them in the original, these were created by the robot base. So these had a purpose for the robot base. It had tech, resource and knowledge to do it.

So we aren't against these ideas, but you need to frame them well, give a reason for it, and most importantly FIT into the previous WL's lore.

If you aren't sure thats fine, someone here will point out if it is wrong. But at least read the starting blurb of the old Wasteland Manual, cause in the case of something like GPS, it is pretty much explicitly knocked out, so that the nuclear war could begin.

[Lirpakkaa]

Considering the vast spectrum of stuff the original had (cyborgs, robots, gigantic plants, sentient AI, etc.), it's not such a stretch to include something previously unacknowledged into it.


And yes, the locations and quests should be interesting. If you guys remember the game was marketed to have TOUGH, MORAL CHOICES innit.

[rakenan]

That tends to smack of retcon and lazy writing. Instead of working within the world they created, they just backpedal and undo the inconvenient things.

Isn't RETCON how Harry Potter was written? Didn't seem to harm that endeavor too much.
(Of course there were werewolves the whole time, etc.)

Retcon is undoing things established previously as fact. Adding things unmentioned previously isn't a retcon except in the most obviously extreme situation where the existence of a thing by definition makes a previous story nonsense. Harry Potter may have had some real retcons, but they weren't particularly blatant or common that I can recall. Werewolves - which in any case were relatively early additions to the series - are almost certainly not among them.

[Tagaziel]

Retcon is undoing things established previously as fact. Adding things unmentioned previously isn't a retcon except in the most obviously extreme situation where the existence of a thing by definition makes a previous story nonsense. Harry Potter may have had some real retcons, but they weren't particularly blatant or common that I can recall. Werewolves - which in any case were relatively early additions to the series - are almost certainly not among them.

Essentially, retconning is any change made to previously estabilished facts. Harry Potter as a series has mercifully few of them. By far the biggest fuck up in retconning was Garth Ennis' Preacher, with the Saint of Killers and Cassidy.

[Zombra]

Meh.

The original Wasteland didn't concern itself much with biting social commentary. The part where you blow up a food stand and the girl says "Would you like fries with that" before dying is about as thought-provoking as it got.

For Wasteland 2 to become a platform for the devs to put forth unprofessional opinions about What's Wrong with the World Today would be silly and unwelcome. I don't care what the devs think about current events. I definitely don't care what they think about Priuses or iPads. I just want them to make another fun, weird, escapist RPG.

[Plasmablaster]

This site is for legitimate fans of WL1 and backers, not for political nonsense.

Please lock and ban this obvious troll/nutjob..

"Legitime fans"..... lol..... should we also supply stamped documents as proof that we are fans of W1? And what happens to backers who are not fans of the original? They can play the game but not have a word about it as many a die-hards would like to?

What if Rekskarz is a "legitimate" fan and backer of WL1?

Just because he mentions things you don't like doesn't mean he can't speak his mind, nomatter how right or wrong he is. And guess what, not all people on this forum are americans to jump up with national pride at the merest hint of underrating your country and might have a slightly different view on things than yourself. You should respect them too - after all, they might be both "legitimate fans and backers" of W1 (since you care so much about these).

[Plasmablaster]

My position on this matter is that I would definitely like some indirect political comments, after all fallout 1 & 2 were full of them - I just find it "unfair" for them to have mostly american references. Propaganda, power abuse, ecocide and abolition of human rights are exercised throughout the world (very few exceptions - this is the nature of power), in many places much worse than the US. So, my view is that these comments should exist in abundance but kept generic and not refer to any particular country.