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Re: No DLC

Postby Smejki » April 18th, 2012, 2:36 pm

krellen wrote:So you do consider eating your #1 priority? After all, if you don't eat, you can't do anything else, either.

I consider it #1 condition to be able to do anything else, among others.
So as well as company has to make money it also must not piss off the market (unless they have monopol) or so.
The goal is to do something that someone alse want but under critical conditions - make money and be able to make money in the future.
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Re: No DLC

Postby StarkeRealm » April 19th, 2012, 9:55 pm

Honestly, no one's going to actually read this, but:

I don't have a problem with DLC. What I do have an issue with is the cost vs. value range for DLC.

I don't want "on disk 'dlc'", and that's probably a pretty reasonable statement all around.

For those saying they don't want weapon/item packs? Honestly, I'd be fine with those if there was a decent value for the cost. If we're talking about a $7 DLC that contains two or four guns? Yeah, that's a no. If we're talking about something like Gun Runner's Arsenal, which was, what? 20 weapons + Upgrades + new Ammo types for $3 - $4? That I can get behind. Again, it's an item/cost ratio. If it's four or five weapons for $1, I'd actually be tempted at that range. Make of that what you will, but anyway, moving on.

We'd probably be better served if time was spent putting together new areas and new quests and aiming for the New Vegas/Fallout 3 style $10 model. But, anyway, this is a ways out there.

I think it might be important to remember, the critical thing with DLC is it's a separate purchase, and it needs to be worth it, while at the same time not feel like it's a mandatory purchase.
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Re: No DLC

Postby BertMacklin » April 19th, 2012, 10:14 pm

Wasteland 2 is kind of a throwback game, how about a throwback to what companies did before DLC. We used to get updates that did more than just fix problems or make the game run better, games used to get things added for free. Total Annihilation, for example, kept adding units and such for some time after the game was released. When things did cost money, like with Duke Nukem 3D add ons and C&C, you got hours upon hours of play when u had to pay, not a 30-60 minute mission or some blah gear.

Why not keep supporting the game through a kickstarter type interface on the Wasteland 2 website. Put up possible additions (sourced from the forums and the developers) to keep the game growing and let us drop the money on their development. This way DLC/Updates stay free, but those of us willing to help can see the game continue to grow, and the cheapskates may eventually give in and donate one they see what it can do. Donations are a big part of what is getting Wasteland 2 off the ground, so why not stick with a winning formula?

I didn't read through the 7 pages of this post, so if this has been mentioned, my bad.
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Re: No DLC

Postby StarkeRealm » April 20th, 2012, 3:41 am

BertMacklin wrote:Why not keep supporting the game through a kickstarter type interface on the Wasteland 2 website. Put up possible additions (sourced from the forums and the developers) to keep the game growing and let us drop the money on their development. This way DLC/Updates stay free, but those of us willing to help can see the game continue to grow, and the cheapskates may eventually give in and donate one they see what it can do. Donations are a big part of what is getting Wasteland 2 off the ground, so why not stick with a winning formula?

I didn't read through the 7 pages of this post, so if this has been mentioned, my bad.

It might have been, I haven't read all seven pages either... but, I'll say, that actually isn't a bad idea at all. A bit experimental, but this would be a good time to try that.
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Re: No DLC

Postby people » April 21st, 2012, 4:11 pm

DLC is great as long as it is an honest expansion and does not detract from the fullness of the original release. DLC that adds to the experience is great, DLC that is mandatory to get a full game (ME3) is rubbish.

I would love to see DLC, but only if it is more like an expansion. It has to be worth the money.
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Re: No DLC

Postby KeltecRFB » April 23rd, 2012, 10:30 am

/Signed

Expansions only, no DLCs.

Perhaps player created mods.
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Re: No DLC

Postby gotthammer » April 24th, 2012, 3:27 pm

I won't mind DLCs if they follow CD Projekt RED's example, esp. w/ stuff like their 'Enhanced Editions' (i.e., rather big updates that are FREE) :D

Expansions are ok (just make 'em big :D )
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Re: No DLC

Postby Bad Santa » April 24th, 2012, 4:12 pm

DLC = NOW INTRODUCING A FOURTH WHEEL, A NEUTRAL GEAR AND A SUPER NIFTY AUTOSAVE FEATURE!
HASBRO PROUDLY INTRODUCES A SECOND DIE FOR EVEN FURTHER PLAYABILITY OF ITS SUPER DUPERLY SUCCESSFUL MONOPOLY FRANCHISE.

I -pardon the language- F(K!NG HATE it when I learn that I paid once for the game and now I have to pay again for the F(K!NG game to F(K!ING work. Its like paying for a fucking patch. Expansions are expansions, don't get them confused with some chintzy cheap ass fucking developers decide that ripping you off by making you pay twice for a functioning game is a great way to make money.

Whenever devs pull that crap on me I simply stop buying their games. No thank you blizzard. I've stopped buying games on release for about 8 years because of that crap.
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Re: No DLC

Postby paultakeda » April 25th, 2012, 3:34 pm

Bad Santa wrote:DLC = NOW INTRODUCING A FOURTH WHEEL, A NEUTRAL GEAR AND A SUPER NIFTY AUTOSAVE FEATURE!
HASBRO PROUDLY INTRODUCES A SECOND DIE FOR EVEN FURTHER PLAYABILITY OF ITS SUPER DUPERLY SUCCESSFUL MONOPOLY FRANCHISE.

I -pardon the language- F(K!NG HATE it when I learn that I paid once for the game and now I have to pay again for the F(K!NG game to F(K!ING work. Its like paying for a fucking patch. Expansions are expansions, don't get them confused with some chintzy cheap ass fucking developers decide that ripping you off by making you pay twice for a functioning game is a great way to make money.

Whenever devs pull that crap on me I simply stop buying their games. No thank you blizzard. I've stopped buying games on release for about 8 years because of that crap.


DLC = Downloadable Content. Any kind. Since the thread topic is suitably broad, I can't agree with it.

Should the game be complete? Yes.
Can you have expansions that add brand new storylines not relevant to the main quest? Yes.
Can you buy red boots? Why not? You don't have to buy it.

What "No DLC" to me means is "No DLC that completes the main game storyline." The Mass Effect 3 DLC Prothean comes to mind. For that? Definitely no.
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