Fanservice

[Shane_for_Wax]

Also known as gratuitous nudity or suggestion of such (like low-cut tops, etc.,). I mentioned this on the Google Moderator thingy but figured we could have a deeper discussion here.

I will say what I said on there: I have no problems with hookers looking like hookers. But a female raider should not look like the hooker. Likewise, any female ranger should not be there to be the token female.

[xbogx]

agreed, it would be really bad if every girl looked like a porn star, but i don't think that is likely to happen. I'd expect these guys have better sense than that.

[cdoublejj]

Also known as gratuitous nudity or suggestion of such (like low-cut tops, etc.,). I mentioned this on the Google Moderator thingy but figured we could have a deeper discussion here.

I will say what I said on there: I have no problems with hookers looking like hookers. But a female raider should not look like the hooker. Likewise, any female ranger should not be there to be the token female.

I agree!

[Flamekebab]

Female armour should be armour fitted for ladies, not stripclub-chique. As much as I enjoy scantily clad women I do not like it when it's ridiculous (well, unless it's really over the top, self-aware ridiculous).

[Tanglebones]

I think there's a place for inappropriately revealing armor, so long as it's not the only or even the most common armor type (or, you know, exclusive to ladies). I mean, Blaster from Beyond Thunderdome is pretty iconic for a post-apocalyptic raider type, and his armor leaves important bits of him exposed.

http://mestadelsbilder.files.wordpress. ... laster.jpg

[Sharkyzero]

My problem with this continued rage against really attractive females is that I WANT a "porn star" on my team (and I'm assuming you're thinking derogatively about all women with huge breasts and fantastic bodies by calling them the de facto insult of 'porn star'). They don't have to ALL look like that, natch. But just because she's a warrior doesn't mean that she can't be exceptionally attractive with some 'high caliber guns,' if you will. You don't have to be a flat chested tomboy to contribute on my team. I actually find myself wanting to protect the attractive more in games where they're included/found. There's more of an emotional involvement if they're that way to me.

That said, the only reason I post this and continue to vote against this in the moderator forum thing is that nobody will ever start a "YAY FOR TITTIES" thread to combat threads like these and if my post dilutes the anti-fan service theme, then mission accomplished.

And low-cut tops? You're fighting against *that*? Nah, man, nah. Can't agree with you there.

[infestor]

i really like all the ideas written so far in this topic.

[xbogx]

the argument wasn't really against hot girls, but against having only hot girls dressed in clothes that emphasize sexuality. It's about situations where males are in power armors while their female counterparts dress like lara croft. Like i said, i don't expect this to be an issue since the developers aren't teenagers and i don't think their target audience are teenagers either.

[Gizmo]

But just because she's a warrior doesn't mean that she can't be exceptionally attractive...

Wouldn't a warrior be exceptionally scarred and maybe missing an eye or some fingers?

[LtMurkyShadow]

But just because she's a warrior doesn't mean that she can't be exceptionally attractive...

Wouldn't a warrior be exceptionally scarred and maybe missing an eye or some fingers?

That would be the warrior, who decided to mess with the wrong warrior.

As for Beyond Tunderdome. That should be the reference for all things armor in the post apocalypse.

[Brother None]

But just because she's a warrior doesn't mean that she can't be exceptionally attractive...

Wouldn't a warrior be exceptionally scarred and maybe missing an eye or some fingers?

Does that make them unattractive by definition.

Heh, funny thread.

Fanservice, eh, I'm not too worried about that. But sort of on the topic, I'd like to see more faces actually scarred by hardship. With no real medical care and lot of dangerous things roaming the wasteland, a lot of people should be pretty horribly scarred.

[Gizmo]

That would be the warrior, who decided to mess with the wrong warrior.

Or the warrior who fought one or more too many at a time.

As for Beyond Tunderdome. That should be the reference for all things armor in the post apocalypse.

Agreed. (I especially liked when he checked the water merchant's stock for radioactivity.)

[Bonecrusher]

Female armour should be armour fitted for ladies, not stripclub-chique. As much as I enjoy scantily clad women I do not like it when it's ridiculous (well, unless it's really over the top, self-aware ridiculous).

female armors are one of the most discussed issues.
experienced gamers hate it, because they find it as mocking to players, and inconsistency inside the game.
young gamers love it, because of the aesthetic aspects (nudity).

female armors should be as efficient as male counterpart of the same armor.
for example:



but today, the female armor counts as simple fanservice, nothing more.
for example:



i think fanservice purposes don't have any place in this game, and xbogx mentioned, these guys have better sense than that.

[Tanglebones]

female armors should be as efficient as male counterpart of the same armor.

This is one thing I appreciated in Fallout: New Vegas, raider armor was skimpy/impractical but it wasn't limited to just the ladies. I mean, suits of plate aren't the only kind of armor that's been around in history. Consider Aztec, Celtic or even Ancient Greek battle dress.

[Gizmo]

but today, the female armor counts as simple fanservice, nothing more.
for example:

Mostly... but there are exceptions: (Not many.)


I would like to see some makeshift armors ~even bikini-plate if it suits the NPC's personality; but for the majority... Standard issue flack vests and salvaged riot gear... National Guard equipment; looted surplus store inventory. That's what I'd want to be the norm for any encounter with a sane person wearing armor.

[sweetcraspy]

See this tumbler for lots of good examples of non-fanservicey women in armor:

http://womenfighters.tumblr.com/

It's mostly fantasy, but the aesthetic should translate somewhat for a post apocalypse.

[Quarex]

I confess to seeing your "no fanservice" comment in the suggestions group and having apparently no idea what you meant.

As it stands, I now agree with you 100% ... basically. I am completely against sexual exploitation, unless it is equal-opportunity. If men in the game are just as likely to be wearing assless chaps as women are to be wearing thongs, then hey, more power to these terrible post-apocalyptic armor decisions. But what usually ends up happening is that women wear basically nothing because the developers want them to be wearing basically nothing, and the men end up wearing realistic reasonable armor because the developers are not attracted to them.

That said, Wasteland was not much of an offender in this regard, other than the gratuitous nipples on the prostitute--but, well, hey, at least she was a prostitute.

[infestor]

i wanna see a mix of both (proper female armour and ultra-sexy-functionless armour; flat chests and large boobies)!
ok, realism is a good thing but should they really stick to it? (fun vs realism scale)
p.s: assless chaps? why not? no problemo.

[Tanglebones]

p.s: assless chaps? why not? no problemo.

Assless chaps? Assless chaps! I swear I won't be satisfied unless the game includes chapless asses!

[Myrkrel]

To play devil's advocate for a moment:

- Society has broken down after an apocalypse, so hang-ups about nudity might not be as prevalent as they are in our world, depending on the community.

- Neo-tribal societies in the post-apocalypse world might shun heavy armor and reject technology / modern ways - being scantily clad might make perfect sense for them.

- The Road Warrior was an iconic film for post-apocalyptic imagery and the ridiculous outfits are part of the fun, in my opinion. And yeah some of those characters are clearly insane and not worried about dressing sensibly.

I hope they take a balanced approach on this issue. Of course making every woman half-naked would be stupid, but the opposite - showing not one inch of skin in the whole game doesn't make sense either. Just give plenty of options for both male and female, both skimpy and covered, practical and ridiculous, as appropriate for each character's background and personality.