Art style

[Hiver]

I am for mixing it with 80s, but since i grew u in that era... i still have traumas of some of the things. horrible things.
So keeping it close to the vision of future of neuromancer and 90s too, since the war happened in 98 with some general 80s pulp would be best, for me.

Also Leonard is working mostly on the story and lore of D3, not graphics or art.
InXile also has Mark Morgan from original Fallouts supplying some cool beats and atmosphere
For the rest id have to check the list of the team. Some original Watseland devs are in too, of course.

[kurosawa]

I am for mixing it with 80s, but since i grew u in that era... i still have traumas of some of the things. horrible things.
So keeping it close to the vision of future of neuromancer and 90s too, since the war happened in 98 with some general 80s pulp would be best, for me.

Also Leonard is working mostly on the story and lore of D3, not graphics or art.
InXile also has Mark Morgan from original Fallouts supplying some cool beats and atmosphere
For the rest id have to check the list of the team. Some original Watseland devs are in too, of course.

read that about mark morgan. that was the point i became a backer for the project. i like his atmospheric, industrial sounds from fallout. missed that very much in fallout3. to be honest, i hated the country-style music from fallout3. at that time i contacted morgan to make some new music for fallout3, that fans could buy and integrate it in the game.

the more i think about the post 80's setting, the more i like it. imagine the survivors which still have the 80's in their brains, not to mention the remainings of that time. gta-vice city after the war. mchammer pants and shoulder pads, the strange colours for clothes at that time mixed with a touch steampunk. :-0

[GROUNDZERO]

80´s "art" detail:

http://www.spicetag.com/images/products ... clock2.jpg

[Hiver]

Wouldn't call that art... Id be happy if they keep out the haircuts and shoulder pads at least. Alright sometimes but if the whole game looks like that it will be hard to stomach.

[Comrade Snarky]

Wouldn't call that art... Id be happy if they keep out the haircuts and shoulder pads at least. Alright sometimes but if the whole game looks like that it will be hard to stomach.

I'd think of it more on the lines of Shadowruns' 2nd edition artwork or any GURPs Module covers. Specifically a lot of the Non-superhero Comic books of the time (I.E. High amounts of shading. Precise, sharp detailing and typically Masculine Overtones, not to the GRIM DARK degree, though.)
Also see, The artwork of Moebius, ralph mcquarrie or even frank frazetta and the Japanamation boom of the late 80's/early 90's.

[geezer]

the strange colours for clothes at that time mixed with a touch steampunk.

What strange colors for clothes? You're talking about the 80s, not the 70s, right?

[kurosawa]

Wouldn't call that art... Id be happy if they keep out the haircuts and shoulder pads at least. Alright sometimes but if the whole game looks like that it will be hard to stomach.

... but thats the nice part. if you dont´t like the guy with the mchammer-pants give him the real hammer ....in his face.

http://cdnimg.iyimix.com/uploads/thumbs/b1da7333c-1.jpg

could be real satisfying

dont like the 80´s haircut (perm) of a mutant, show him your flamethrower and give him a new one

http://s3.hubimg.com/u/270174_f260.jpg

[kurosawa]

Wouldn't call that art... Id be happy if they keep out the haircuts and shoulder pads at least. Alright sometimes but if the whole game looks like that it will be hard to stomach.

I'd think of it more on the lines of Shadowruns' 2nd edition artwork or any GURPs Module covers. Specifically a lot of the Non-superhero Comic books of the time (I.E. High amounts of shading. Precise, sharp detailing and typically Masculine Overtones, not to the GRIM DARK degree, though.)
Also see, The artwork of Moebius, ralph mcquarrie or even frank frazetta and the Japanamation boom of the late 80's/early 90's.

... ahhh thanks for mentioning moebius (R.I.P. you know he died a week ago?) i hoped so much he will sometimes be an art director for a game. now, that dream is over.
yeah like the art of frazetta too. fat bottom girls ...

[kurosawa]

the strange colours for clothes at that time mixed with a touch steampunk.

What strange colors for clothes? You're talking about the 80s, not the 70s, right?

yeah, the 80´s. but you are right, the 70´s where even more colorful.
i think the colors in the 80´s where a bit more bad taste than in the 70´s

[Comrade Snarky]

Wouldn't call that art... Id be happy if they keep out the haircuts and shoulder pads at least. Alright sometimes but if the whole game looks like that it will be hard to stomach.

I'd think of it more on the lines of Shadowruns' 2nd edition artwork or any GURPs Module covers. Specifically a lot of the Non-superhero Comic books of the time (I.E. High amounts of shading. Precise, sharp detailing and typically Masculine Overtones, not to the GRIM DARK degree, though.)
Also see, The artwork of Moebius, ralph mcquarrie or even frank frazetta and the Japanamation boom of the late 80's/early 90's.

... ahhh thanks to mention moebius (R.I.P. you know he died a week ago?) i hoped so much he will sometimes be an art director for a game. now, that dream is over.
yeah like the art of frazetta too. fat bottom girls ...

Yes i have. Very sad. He was a Subtlety Influential artist upon what we know as popular sci-fi art.

the strange colours for clothes at that time mixed with a touch steampunk.

What strange colors for clothes? You're talking about the 80s, not the 70s, right?

yeah, the 80´s. but you are right, the 70´s where even more colorful.
i think the colors in the 80´s where a bit more bad taste than in the 70´s

The focus on secondary, rather then primary colors is a key part of what we identify as the "1980's" in the media. Yellows, Greens, some purples and harsh browns.
If that was done, you'd be able to identify a Wasteland 2 screenshot out of any Post-apoc game out on the market. A big plus.

[kurosawa]

...The focus on secondary, rather then primary colors is a key part of what we identify as the "1980's" in the media. Yellows, Greens, some purples and harsh browns.
If that was done, you'd be able to identify a Wasteland 2 screenshot out of any Post-apoc game out on the market. A big plus.

... wouldnt it be a great reminiscence to the first wasteland. it had strange colors too. sure, it was because of the technically limitation of colors (how many? 8, 16 or something)

[Hiver]

I'd think of it more on the lines of Shadowruns' 2nd edition artwork or any GURPs Module covers. Specifically a lot of the Non-superhero Comic books of the time (I.E. High amounts of shading. Precise, sharp detailing and typically Masculine Overtones, not to the GRIM DARK degree, though.)
Also see, The artwork of Moebius, ralph mcquarrie or even frank frazetta and the Japanamation boom of the late 80's/early 90's.

Yeah, i could go for that easily. All great artists and true inspiration. Wouldnt mind seeing that at all, especially since two of them died recently. Moebius and Frazzeta.

Except Frazzeta didnt draw fat bottom girls but godlike full bodied essences of femininity instead of anorexic models

... but thats the nice part. if you dont´t like the guy with the mchammer-pants give him the real hammer ....in his face.
http://cdnimg.iyimix.com/uploads/thumbs/b1da7333c-1.jpg

could be real satisfying
dont like the 80´s haircut (perm) of a mutant, show him your flamethrower and give him a new one
http://s3.hubimg.com/u/270174_f260.jpg

I cant look at those pics but i know what you mean. You have a point, but that would only end in me killing all NPCs in the game.

Some diversity would be better.

[kurosawa]

I'd think of it more on the lines of Shadowruns' 2nd edition artwork or any GURPs Module covers. Specifically a lot of the Non-superhero Comic books of the time (I.E. High amounts of shading. Precise, sharp detailing and typically Masculine Overtones, not to the GRIM DARK degree, though.)
Also see, The artwork of Moebius, ralph mcquarrie or even frank frazetta and the Japanamation boom of the late 80's/early 90's.

Yeah, i could go for that easily. All great artists and true inspiration. Wouldnt mind seeing that at all, especially since two of them died recently. Moebius and Frazzeta.

Except Frazzeta didnt draw fat bottom girls but godlike full bodied essences of femininity instead of anorexic models

... but thats the nice part. if you dont´t like the guy with the mchammer-pants give him the real hammer ....in his face.
http://cdnimg.iyimix.com/uploads/thumbs/b1da7333c-1.jpg

could be real satisfying
dont like the 80´s haircut (perm) of a mutant, show him your flamethrower and give him a new one
http://s3.hubimg.com/u/270174_f260.jpg

I cant look at those pics but i know what you mean. You have a point, but that would only end in me killing all NPCs in the game.

Some diversity would be better.

i wasnt that serious. but they could use such things for the "funny" parts of the game

[geezer]

the strange colours for clothes at that time mixed with a touch steampunk.

What strange colors for clothes? You're talking about the 80s, not the 70s, right?

yeah, the 80´s. but you are right, the 70´s where even more colorful.
i think the colors in the 80´s where a bit more bad taste than in the 70´s

Any chance you could give a specific example of what you are talking about? I'm not trying to defend the honor of the 80s or something but I don't recall anything about 80s taste that was all that different from today. I don't really dress any differently than I did then or have a different hair style. I do listen to different music, but I still think 80s music is okay. We didn't really have much in the way of electronica back then, which is the type of music I prefer. The 70s are another matter. Disco sucked. Badly. Bell bottoms? Those huge sunglasses. Those lapels? Yikes. Really ugly stuff.

The 80s were just stonewashed jeans and Jordache and Guess. People still mostly wear jeans today, but the girls don't wear them skin tight anymore. Of course there was the feathered hair thing. Is that the stuff you are referring to? That's not really much of a 'culture' at all. Just a bit of questionable fashion choices. I think the big cultural change was going from the 70s to the 80s. I really haven't found the 80s, 90's and the new millennium to really be all that different. At least not in any fundamental way.

BTW, I don't think David Hasselhoff permed his hair. You guys do realize that some people have naturally wavy and curly hair, right? Some girls did have a Madonna type of perm thing, but guys didn't go around perming their hair. Unless maybe they were gay.

[kurosawa]

Any chance you could give a specific example of what you are talking about? I'm not trying to defend the honor of the 80s or something but I don't recall anything about 80s taste that was all that different from today. I don't really dress any differently than I did then or have a different hair style. I do listen to different music, but I still think 80s music is okay. We didn't really have much in the way of electronica back then, which is the type of music I prefer. The 70s are another matter. Disco sucked. Badly. Bell bottoms? Those huge sunglasses. Those lapels? Yikes. Really ugly stuff.

The 80s were just stonewashed jeans and Jordache and Guess. People still mostly wear jeans today, but the girls don't wear them skin tight anymore. Of course there was the feathered hair thing. Is that the stuff you are referring to? That's not really much of a 'culture' at all. Just a bit of questionable fashion choices. I think the big cultural change was going from the 70s to the 80s. I really haven't found the 80s, 90's and the new millennium to really be all that different. At least not in any fundamental way.

BTW, I don't think David Hasselhoff permed his hair. You guys do realize that some people have naturally wavy and curly hair, right? Some girls did have a Madonna type of perm thing, but guys didn't go around perming their hair. Unless maybe they were gay.

... had to google a while for that and its a specific german thing. a band, popular in the 80´s that influenced the fashion of that time

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww10 ... alking.jpg

but thats just an example

[geezer]

Sorry, kurosawa. I don't know about Germany but I dont see that as any sort of realistic portrayal of an 80s look in the Northern US where I grew up. That's just bizarre. We had some pretty strange costumes in the 70s, but things weren't really that weird in the 80s in the US.

Actually if you want to get some idea of what things were really like in the early to mid 80s in the US watch the US Television program Freaks and Geeks. It just totally pegged what it was like growing up in the early 80s. I also happen to think it is a great show. I guess we all have slightly different perspectives on the 80s and not every country was the same.

[Hiver]

Yeah, i think we in the Europe had it worse
But important thing to remember is to take the good stuff and leave the bad for a few "special" encounters or NPCs.
There was a lot of good stuff going on in that decade, as in any else after all.

Old style heavy metal was still going on (early iron maiden stuff), punk was still there too but on decline. Culture, comics, music all had good parts and bad.

Also, Brian in latest interview on gamebanshee:

We were flying blind while we made the first game. Fallout excelled in many of the same things but it really shined in tone and style. We need to make sure that we have an interesting art style and vibe. If there is any feeling that you have seen something a hundred times before you lose interest pretty quickly.

So they are shooting for something unique and diverse to some degree, i think.

[derekticon]

Many old geezers like us would love an art direction that brings back the style of 80s/early 90s air-brushed sci-fi art and illustration.

Here's what I feel defines the 80s/early 90s look, according to the notable artists of that era. The most defining magazine of that era ought to be HEAVY METAL magazine, the American successor of the French Metal Hurlant featuring high-concept fantasy art.



As for notable artists, there's Hajime Sorayama


Simon Bisley's rendition of ABC Warriors. The robots in Wasteland reminds of those monstrous robots found in ABC Warriors and Theodore Sturgeon's pulp fiction.


Richard Corben


Chris Foss. Though known more his space opera intergalactic sci-fi art. His robots are pretty cool and have graced many covers of sci-fi pulp


And Iron Maiden's album art by Derek Riggs:


For those who followed Japanese sci-fi art during the same period, there's the hard core stuff by Makoto Kobayashi


80s style games graphics

Max Headroom:


Robocop:


Sentinels World:



Autoduel:

[Tagaziel]

I'm going to be alone here probably, but I'd like for WL2 to be a realistic alternative to the flood of heavily stylized games on the market. Kind of like what ARMA is to Call of Duty/Bulletstorm.

[kurosawa]

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...thanks for that post. heavy metal style would be the ultimate design in my opinion. i am a huge fan of the art of moebius. loved the comics heavy metal and have never seen art like that in my live again. watched the art design community, the gnomon workshop and its lectors, but no one reached me like that stuff from metal hurlant. a few days ago, because af the death of moebius, we had the docu "moebius redux" on tv. and i remembered. the fifth element, bladerunner, alien and many other are influenced from that art and the people behind it.
so for me personal, it would be a dream come true (if not moebus itself is able to do it anymore) to see such design in wasteland 2.

http://lambiek.net/artists/g/giraud/moe ... ristic.jpg
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