Don't submit this game to ESRB/PEGI/etc.!

[Fishos]

The fact these guidelines are for all to see isn't necessarily a good thing. Public list of "rights and wrongs" have been the most effective way to brainwash people since the ancient Babylonian empire. When you're constantly exposed to it you begin to believe it.

[Mandemon]

The fact these guidelines are for all to see isn't necessarily a good thing. Public list of "rights and wrongs" have been the most effective way to brainwash people since the ancient Babylonian empire. When you're constantly exposed to it you begin to believe it.

Welcome to real world, where laws work exactly that way. You think killing is illegal because you have been taught from the begin that it is illegal.

And, once again, these are purely optional. Stop trying to implying that ESRB/PEGI are some sort of evil government organizations and that The Man is trying to decide things for us.

[Woolfe]

The fact these guidelines are for all to see isn't necessarily a good thing. Public list of "rights and wrongs" have been the most effective way to brainwash people since the ancient Babylonian empire. When you're constantly exposed to it you begin to believe it.

A decision had to be made. A line marked as to what is and isn't appropriate.

Or do you think extremem violence and high level sex scenes are appropriate to be shown to a minor?

Where would you have drawn the line if you had to do it?

And if you don't draw a line, how do you tell people what content is there? In AU they have made it even simpler.
They put the rating, and then they follow it with the things it contains. So even if you don't agree with the rating per se, you can see what it has been blocked for.

Or would you prefer no one to know about the definition and just allow some person in a dark room to be marking them? Then you would have no oversight. As it stands now, you have millions of people that could disagree with the rating. It has happened.

System isn't perfect, it never is. But unless you intend to force every parent to play/watch/read every piece of media before giving it to their own child, there is no better system.

[Azriel]

The fact these guidelines are for all to see isn't necessarily a good thing. Public list of "rights and wrongs" have been the most effective way to brainwash people since the ancient Babylonian empire. When you're constantly exposed to it you begin to believe it.

A decision had to be made. A line marked as to what is and isn't appropriate.

Or do you think extremem violence and high level sex scenes are appropriate to be shown to a minor?

Where would you have drawn the line if you had to do it?

And if you don't draw a line, how do you tell people what content is there? In AU they have made it even simpler.
They put the rating, and then they follow it with the things it contains. So even if you don't agree with the rating per se, you can see what it has been blocked for.

Or would you prefer no one to know about the definition and just allow some person in a dark room to be marking them? Then you would have no oversight. As it stands now, you have millions of people that could disagree with the rating. It has happened.

System isn't perfect, it never is. But unless you intend to force every parent to play/watch/read every piece of media before giving it to their own child, there is no better system.

The problem is that ratings make content creators/corporations fearful of doing anything offensive. In fact, I argue that ratings push corporations to play it safe and actually pusheses the envelop BACKWORDS. I remember when PG13 had cussing, gory violence and the occasional nudity shot in movies/tv. Things that are considered R now was COMMON in PG13 movies before stupid soccer moms with nothing better to do blamed all the problems on the world on the violence of tv and movies(but, not their horrible parenting skills). So companies decided to cut back on the violence, sex, language and now we have nice disney movies and the stuff that was common for pg13 is now R. I will not be surprised if the R stuff gets pushed to XXX and R is a teen rating today.

The idea of ratings are not bad, but like many things, the idea and reality are two different things. This is why I say leave it unrated.

[Drool]

So companies decided to cut back on the violence, sex, language and now we have nice disney movies and the stuff that was common for pg13 is now R. I will not be surprised if the R stuff gets pushed to XXX and R is a teen rating today.

Huh. Because the big complaint from the religious right is that standards are growing more lax and that what was X yesterday is now merely R or PG-13.

[Woolfe]

The problem is that ratings make content creators/corporations fearful of doing anything offensive. In fact, I argue that ratings push corporations to play it safe and actually pusheses the envelop BACKWORDS. I remember when PG13 had cussing, gory violence and the occasional nudity shot in movies/tv. Things that are considered R now was COMMON in PG13 movies before stupid soccer moms with nothing better to do blamed all the problems on the world on the violence of tv and movies(but, not their horrible parenting skills). So companies decided to cut back on the violence, sex, language and now we have nice disney movies and the stuff that was common for pg13 is now R. I will not be surprised if the R stuff gets pushed to XXX and R is a teen rating today.

The idea of ratings are not bad, but like many things, the idea and reality are two different things. This is why I say leave it unrated.

Really? Common in PG13? Are you sure.

I'm probably not the best to comment anyway. We have a government lead ratings system here in AUS. Which is good, because it doesn't change much, and is pretty thorough on its system. But bad as well because we have arcane hoops that need to be jumped through to get it changed. (Literally 1 person can and did hold up the entire process)

[Mandemon]

I want proof on that. Also, there is no PG13 in video games. ESRB has Teen->Mature, where as PEGI has 12->16.

So you are using movie ratings to argue against video game rating boards. Also, ratings changed in the past because there was no clear difference between "kids show - teen show - adult show". Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom(y Dooms of Doom). So PG-13 was introduced.

Originally:


Rated PG: Parental Guidance Suggested – Some Material May Not be Suitable for Pre-Teenagers.
Rated R: Restricted – Under 17 Requires Accompanying Parent or Adult Guardian.


Change:


Rated PG: Parental Guidance Suggested – Some Material May Not be Suitable for Children.
Rated PG-13: Parents Are Strongly Cautioned to Give Special Guidance for Attendance of Children Under 13 – Some Material may be Inappropriate for Children Under 13.
Rated R: Restricted – Under 17 Requires Accompanying Parent or Adult Guardian.