Roachy wrote:Drostan wrote:*snip* No, the reason gamers want gay characters in games is that because there are quite a few gays in real life, *snip*
Real life =/= post apocalypse
A world populated by raiders, religious nuts, mutants and soldiers doesn't really lend much support towards our modern level of acceptence of homosexuality.
Wasteland 2 is set in our world, basic fundamental truths in our world would be true in the Wasteland world as well. Homosexuality has been accepted and not accepted during different parts of our history. This is not a new phenomena and as far as I know (don't have any links to prove it) about the same percentage of people has been homosexual all through history. Gay people have both thrived and been prosecuted during bad conditions before.
I for one don't understand why you believe that no raiders would be gay, why there wouldn't be a religious church of homosexual nuts wanting to eradicate all straight people, why mutants would kill homosexuals in any other degree than straight people (are they thinking beings they might well understand how it is not to be part of the norm, if they are unthinking creatures they would kill gay and straight all the same right?), or why there wouldn't be any gay soldiers (between 1994 and 2010, 13,650 servicemen in the USA was discharged as part of don't-ask-don't-tell, and that is just the ones that got discharged). And I still can't understand why gays would take being killed by all these miraculously straight people with guns.
So to get back to the question of gays being in the Wasteland 2 universe. It is our world. The percentage of the population that is gay hasn't in any way been proven to depend on how many of the previous generation that was gay. That means that there will always be gay people, even if all gay people of a generation is killed. So, HOW many, percentage wise, persons are openly gay in the Wasteland world is dependent on how other people view gays there. Either they are accepted everywhere and are a part of the world as open and respected members. Or they are not, which means that some will hide their sexuality and some will flock to perceived safe havens. Or pretty much everyone is out to kill them, which I see as very unrealistic as they will all have mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters and friends who can see them being ordinary human beings and wouldn't stand for it.
Why would the entire world flock against killing gays after a nuclear event? If it's about survival of the fittest (not in the Darwinian sense...) I see no reason why gay people wouldn't be able to make it, since they are by no means weaker than anyone else, on the contrary stronger after having to live through crap like this thread throws them daily.
And if, in the Wasteland world everyone just wanted to kill gays, and that that is the reason for having no gays in the game, this in itself is a sort of inclusion since the game then has lore (albeit a bit unrealistic) that says why there are no gays in the game. That's inclusion enough for me, and enough to raise a few serious questions about the state of mankind. Are we really just a catastrophe away from killing all the people that aren't like us? That's a hell of a sad truth if it is true, and something well worth exploring in a game that is about people after the catastrophe.