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Re: It's gotta have grit and adult themes.

Postby Azriel » March 15th, 2012, 10:06 pm

Srift wrote:Does anyone know if Fallout 3 had these themes? I don't remember.


Fallout 3 was so disneyfied(safe) that it was a joke and pissed off a lot of fallout fans. I LIKED f3, but it was no way a true sequel to the fallout name. At best there was a few token gestures here and there that you had to look hard as hell to find AND read between the lines. When you go to a prostitute and paid her, all she said was "come over here and sleep with me", she doesn't mention sex or anything, and all you do is literally lie down beside here and then get up a second later. Bethesda killed any maturity in that line, new vegas was way better.
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Re: It's gotta have grit and adult themes.

Postby eternality » March 15th, 2012, 10:06 pm

Four young inexperienced rangers leave Ranger HQ on their first lone mission, encounter a biker gang and get some sweet hard man-love. That would make an interesting quest. No one says it has to be the player who has the upper hand.
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence, and adult themes.

Postby geezer » March 15th, 2012, 10:07 pm

I'm not seriously advocating rape as a game mechanic. In terms of realism you might have roving gangs of rapists and cannibals, but I wouldn't expect it to be that common. I certainly think the main story can have rape in it, but as an activity for the rangers to engage in...okay it might be kind of funny...but that means accepting sex as part of the core game and I'm not quite prepared to do that. Gangs of cannibals though. I would like to see that. Food in the wasteland should be scarce.

I'd like to see a more empty world than portrayed in the Fallout series. I'd like to see more of the immediate aftermath of nuclear war where people are just fighting for basic survival and nothing is too organized yet. Lots of empty houses with dead bodies or skeletons.

Maybe some cool killer robot on treads..its gotta have killer robots.

I don't think you have to worry about that. Although it would be nice to also have friendly robots.

Also a nuclear bomb the player interacts with or has to deal with.

Why?
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence and adult themes. (18+)

Postby Srift » March 15th, 2012, 10:12 pm

Geezer: I see your point and that makes sense. As I said a player option would be too far but in the story and gameplay itself those themes would suit it more.

As for the nuclear bomb line well its a Wasteland game..gotta include a nuclear bomb there somewhere.
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Re: It's gotta have grit and adult themes.

Postby geezer » March 15th, 2012, 10:15 pm

eternality wrote:Four young inexperienced rangers leave Ranger HQ on their first lone mission, encounter a biker gang and get some sweet hard man-love. That would make an interesting quest. No one says it has to be the player who has the upper hand.

I kind of like that idea. The rangers all get 'turned out' by a higher level biker gang and have trouble sitting down for weeks. I could imagine some funny dialogue choices involving that. Talk about choice and consequences!
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence and adult themes. (18+)

Postby falloutgod13 » March 15th, 2012, 10:16 pm

:lol: So horrible but so funny, I'm reminded of Pulp Fiction right now.
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence and adult themes. (18+)

Postby Srift » March 15th, 2012, 10:17 pm

I updated my original words to reflect some things. Keep the suggestions 18+ going.
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence and adult themes. (18+)

Postby luckz » March 15th, 2012, 10:17 pm

Fallout 3 had more nude mods made for it than all other games before combined ;)
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence and adult themes. (18+)

Postby Azriel » March 15th, 2012, 10:22 pm

Fallout 1/2 did have some mature themes I would like to see in wasteland

- foul language
- seduction (you could use seduction to complete quests or just for the hell of it)
- child killing
- drugs
- sex (there was also payment from sex if the NPC didn't have enough you could accept sex as payment, at least for one scene I remember. You could also sleep with npc,s but you had to be careful, like when the farmer caught your character sleeping with his daughter and forced you to marry her in a shotgun wedding)
- brothels
- prostitutes (hell, your own character could be one)
- pimp (again your character could be one, you could even marry someone and pimp out your wife)
- cannibalism
- slavery (you could buy slaves, capture slaves to sell, not sure, maybe join the slavers?)
- join a gang (er, since there are 4 of your characters, be a gang I guess)
- etc
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence and adult themes. (18+)

Postby Lexirad » March 15th, 2012, 10:38 pm

luckz wrote:Fallout 3 had more nude mods made for it than all other games before combined ;)


And THAT's why modding is important. ^_^

I wish I could upvote forum comments.
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence and adult themes. (18+)

Postby luckz » March 15th, 2012, 11:51 pm

Lexirad wrote:I wish I could upvote forum comments.


Thankfully this isn't reddit.
That'd be a fun idea, making a subreddit instead of a forum for your game. <^+^;

On a more serious note, I have just come to the conclusion that counting views and offering the ability to dislike a post is the perfect combination --- inspired by google now only allowing me to "+1" youtube videos anymore.
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence and adult themes. (18+)

Postby Lexirad » March 15th, 2012, 11:54 pm

New feature request: Give us +1 functionality on the forums! ^_^
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence and adult themes. (18+)

Postby luckz » March 16th, 2012, 12:08 am

Well, them "game must include" and "game may not include" forums would best serve as a feeding field for a developer-managed feature voting forum, where you can vote on the degree of nudity or multiplayer or combat system realtimeness™ you wish to see. Then again this is currently low-key enough for developers to be able to feasibly read all threads fully and thus get far more of an idea why people want or don't want to see something.
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence and adult themes. (18+)

Postby ronincabo » March 16th, 2012, 12:23 am

Yes to all, now the one thing it should also have is a "filter" of sorts that you can turn on and off. Duke Nukem 3d is a good uh example of this, if you didnt want the stripper just turn off mature content, and poof they were gone. Would that be too much to ask for?
Also cmon people lets face it this is Post Apocalyptic wherever the setting is, do you really thing people are going to be "asking" others for drugs or sex or say "hey buddy dont shoot me" the answer is no, dog eat dog world in Post Apocalytia.
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence, and adult themes.

Postby alexandergr » March 16th, 2012, 1:17 am

geezer wrote:A bit of tasteful rape as well.

Amen to that! If I'm gonna be romancing those mutated chicks, they'd better not say no!
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence and adult themes. (18+)

Postby MDF_MadDogFargo » March 18th, 2012, 6:18 am

Adult content isn't throwaway content. We are adults after all, so why should we play a game for little kids. Adult content should be involved in the plot. If you want sex scenes then you should be able to see them or read them. If you don't want sex scenes then you shouldn't play that kind of character. I should be able to play a dirty old man or an athletic teenage girl and it should be my choices that make my game what it is. I dislike the ethos that violence is acceptable but sex isn't and I would rather see sex than violence in real life or in a game. The game shouldn't force me to watch violence porn but sheild me from sex. Also it's adult not because of the "yay boobies!" factor but because adult relationships are complicated. Sex and love mean moral and personal choices like choosing between friends. Sex and love are fun but also dangerous. A game where the characters cannot experience the full set of emotions just because we decided against "adult content" is a stifled, stilted world (like the minds of too many kids conditioned to play generic sexless characters in modern games).
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence and adult themes. (18+)

Postby TheFrankSinatra » March 18th, 2012, 7:25 am

MDF_MadDogFargo wrote:Adult content isn't throwaway content. We are adults after all, so why should we play a game for little kids. Adult content should be involved in the plot. If you want sex scenes then you should be able to see them or read them. If you don't want sex scenes then you shouldn't play that kind of character. I should be able to play a dirty old man or an athletic teenage girl and it should be my choices that make my game what it is. I dislike the ethos that violence is acceptable but sex isn't and I would rather see sex than violence in real life or in a game. The game shouldn't force me to watch violence porn but sheild me from sex. Also it's adult not because of the "yay boobies!" factor but because adult relationships are complicated. Sex and love mean moral and personal choices like choosing between friends. Sex and love are fun but also dangerous. A game where the characters cannot experience the full set of emotions just because we decided against "adult content" is a stifled, stilted world (like the minds of too many kids conditioned to play generic sexless characters in modern games).




yep. I agree. and with OP's post in general. Most games just ignore sex as if it doesnt exist, but a game like this is exactly the type to handle it in a real way. When the Germans invaded russia something like 10,000+ russian women were raped as the germans swept across the cold russian countryside seeking shelter in whatever houses or small russain farms they could find. Probably most of the young women they encountered were raped. They were taught to hate Russians and fear them and to basically hate thier race and do whatever they wanted to the civilians...and after the Germans lost at Stalingrad...in some of the worst situations in any war in world history...the russians had heard about the atrocities and lived through more...and when the russian army strenghened with reinforcements and US help marched back through the same land all the way into berlin they left an even more vicious path then the germans before apparently taking revenge and raping virtually EVERY young girl and woman that they encoutnered along the way.

literally 50,000+ women were raped during ww2, some resisted and were killed. some submitted to survive. There were some romances as well and even a few love stories that lasted after the war believe it or not. All of this stuff happens and should be in the game as its a similiarly themed end-of-the-world setting...that IS EXACTLY what happens in such situations and it should abolutely be in the game. (you can read historian Antony Beevor's "Battle of Berlin" or "Stalingrad")
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence and adult themes. (18+)

Postby GROUNDZERO » March 18th, 2012, 8:20 am

This is for all of you who think that "rape in a post- apoc" world is a new concept:

This is from a 1974 post-apoc movie (A Boy & His dog), from which Fallout takes quite a few themes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6grBH-bMg_s

Hey, don´t blame me, i´m just the messenger.
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence and adult themes. (18+)

Postby owenmp » March 18th, 2012, 8:28 am

Absolutely no reference to rape, which would occur with both men and women after a nuclear exchange. Exploring an irradiated world where over 6 billion individuals have been erased from the planet is dark enough.

Slavery would once again rise its ugly head in a post-apocalyptic world. Perhaps the Rangers will be given opportunities to trade (or not to trade) with merchants who own slaves. A good example of this moral dilemma was in the first episode of Jericho.

Follow the example of presenting adult themes as in Wasteland 1. If expletives are used, perhaps use them in combat taunts as in Fallout 1 and Fallout 2, but strong language should not be overused.
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Re: It's gotta have grit, violence and adult themes. (18+)

Postby TheFrankSinatra » March 18th, 2012, 9:33 am

owenmp wrote:Absolutely no reference to rape, which would occur with both men and women after a nuclear exchange. Exploring an irradiated world where over 6 billion individuals have been erased from the planet is dark enough.

Slavery would once again rise its ugly head in a post-apocalyptic world. Perhaps the Rangers will be given opportunities to trade (or not to trade) with merchants who own slaves. A good example of this moral dilemma was in the first episode of Jericho.

Follow the example of presenting adult themes as in Wasteland 1. If expletives are used, perhaps use them in combat taunts as in Fallout 1 and Fallout 2, but strong language should not be overused.




lol, so why would slavery be ok, but not rape...what about a sex slave ?....wouldnt it be possible that a fat guy lord or something would have a princess lea like sex slave....wouldnt it be probable that most women would be used for sex say if their husbands were killed....prostitution has existed for thousands of years...dont you think it would exist in an apocalyptic world...of course it would....probably to an even greater degree then ever...it absolutely needs to be in the game in my opinion....because that is EXACTLY what would be going on just as it has allthroughout history and even today during peaceful times sex slavery and trafficking even goes on now in 2012...and happens in massive amounts in even worse times...such as the setting for this game...to not have it in would be laughable in my opinion.
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