POLL - Additions to $30 Tier

[Sharkey]

I still think it is the wrong way to go about increasing pledges - if that content is made for the game, everybody should get it.

I don't know how familiar you are with the game TF2, but let me put this scenario to you:
The game,(until about a year ago), was one you had to purchase in full. Now it is free to play. In the game is a store where you can buy different clothing and weapons (you can get all the weapons without paying too).

ANYWAYS, my point is: To the people that had purchased the game before it went free to play, were given a few special items that couldn't be gotten any other way. The items do nothing but make other players jealous of their intense cool-factor. They were a 'thank-you' from the dev. team toward those players.

So as with these portraits, I see them as nothing other than "Jealously Makers". And a "thanks for your support"from the dev. team.

Agreed, it's a personal thanks from the developers for supporting them. These are PORTRAITS, they add nothing to the game but looks for your Rangers. Other games nowadays throw in all sorts of in-game exclusives that come with Special Editions, so just think of the $30 tier as the "Special Edition" compared to the $15 tier.

[Qintarra]

As someone who donated $50 bucks, its starting to make me feel ripped off a little. It seems like I get almost the same amount of bonuses at tier 30, when I'm at 50. I know this is about helping the game but come on. 2 copies, the novele, everything is the same. The only thing I benefit is a box for 20 dollars. It seems sort of silly to me.

Actually, the $50 tier gets part 1 of the Stackpole novella, as well as the now-added MCA novella. So two novellas. The novella and the physical box were already the only difference between $30 and $50.

In any case, It is still content that was created but withheld from certain players because they didn't pony up enough money at the right time.

It's a bunch of portraits.

It's like a set of reskins or the like. Zero impact on the gameplay experience.

I'm against the exclusive portraits idea. It does in my opinion have impact on the gameplay experience. I'm not sure if this is unusual, but I think party creation is one of the most fun aspects of similar games, and part of the fun for me is selecting portraits (if they are well done).

I'm currently replaying Icewind Dale 2 (known for its gorgeous portraits), and it would piss me off if there were some portraits I couldn't use, even though I knew they existed (let's say because I didn't preorder the game).

This doesn't even affect me personally, since I have already pledged 30, but there may be some other people like me who hasn't. And I want everyone who has bought the game to get the same experience (party creation is part of the experience IMO, and it's less fun with fewer portraits).

[Temaperacl]

You can't be serious.

While I understand that my views on the matter differ from your own, what about my post do you find so ridiculous and why?

I still think it is the wrong way to go about increasing pledges - if that content is made for the game, everybody should get it.

I don't know how familiar you are with the game TF2, but let me put this scenario to you:
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This scenario I would have the same problem with, I believe (I am not familiar with TF2, so my next comment would modify this). Now, to be fair, though, this does get close to one scenario where I am completely torn on instead of being opposed to - in a game that has a persistent world (Say, an MMO), if you have one-time events, then having something that comes directly from that event, then I am torn about having that thing that commemorates that event which is, obviously, not available after (Badges in WWIIOL, for example). And I haven't been able to come to a coherent answer about why I am undecided about that sort of thing instead of being opposed to it. I think it might be because the in-game character is continuous from the point of the event instead of just the player being the same whereas in other games, that is not the case. But to be honest, I'm not positive if that is the real reason or not - I haven't tried to reason it out completely for that scenario.

[ET3D]

Personally, I'd rather see Mac/Linux/Windows versions offered to all purchasers, whether they're buying digitally, buying boxes, and whether they're backers or buying after release.

I agree. I don't see the point of limiting to one platform. If I'm using Windows now, and would like to move to Linux in the future, I'd love to be able to run the Linux version, and I don't see a good reason why I should buy the game again to get that. Ultimately I'd love to see a multi-platform copy plus Steam key given to all backers, with the $30 tier and up getting two copies and two keys. An extra gift copy would be a good motivator for me to go up from $15 to $30, whereas a second platform key won't.

All in all, I think that these additions are very nice. I don't care much for the extra portraits, but I think I'll enjoy the other extra stuff, and an extra copy to gift is always nice.

[Madball357]

The game should be the same for everybody (yes, even cosmetically)

[NilVeres]

I'd rather have you guys make the vision document available for everyone, but that's mostly because I can't afford 30 bucks right now and I'd really like to see that document to learn how you guys do them.

Then, the portraits seem sort of pointless don't they? I mean, won't somebody be able to mod them in if they want them badly? Don't know, but maybe they are a nice perk for some people to upgrade.

The extra copy though, would be nice. But there's one thing I don't get, if you redeem the copy in steam won't it be for both PC and Mac? Usually games I buy that have both versions don't require a purchase for both versions.

[ET3D]

I don't know how familiar you are with the game TF2, but let me put this scenario to you:
The game,(until about a year ago), was one you had to purchase in full. Now it is free to play. In the game is a store where you can buy different clothing and weapons (you can get all the weapons without paying too).

ANYWAYS, my point is: To the people that had purchased the game before it went free to play, were given a few special items that couldn't be gotten any other way. The items do nothing but make other players jealous of their intense cool-factor. They were a 'thank-you' from the dev. team toward those players.

So as with these portraits, I see them as nothing other than "Jealously Makers". And a "thanks for your support"from the dev. team.

I never played TF2, but I played City of Heroes, an MMO which went free to play, where some unique powers (which don't affect gameplay) were given to buyers of special editions, and aren't available in the stores. Even if I had such a power, five years after I bought the game I no longer care if it will be made available to anyone else. From my point of view, if ranger portraits are given only to backers now and made available a couple of years down the road to everyone, that's an okay compromise.

[SkyeFyre]

I'd rather have you guys make the vision document available for everyone, but that's mostly because I can't afford 30 bucks right now and I'd really like to see that document to learn how you guys do them.

Then, the portraits seem sort of pointless don't they? I mean, won't somebody be able to mod them in if they want them badly? Don't know, but maybe they are a nice perk for some people to upgrade.

The extra copy though, would be nice. But there's one thing I don't get, if you redeem the copy in steam won't it be for both PC and Mac? Usually games I buy that have both versions don't require a purchase for both versions.

Everyone does get the vision document.

[Sharkey]

This scenario I would have the same problem with, I believe (I am not familiar with TF2, so my next comment would modify this). Now, to be fair, though, this does get close to one scenario where I am completely torn on instead of being opposed to - in a game that has a persistent world (Say, an MMO), if you have one-time events, then having something that comes directly from that event, then I am torn about having that thing that commemorates that event which is, obviously, not available after (Badges in WWIIOL, for example). And I haven't been able to come to a coherent answer about why I am undecided about that sort of thing instead of being opposed to it. I think it might be because the in-game character is continuous from the point of the event instead of just the player being the same whereas in other games, that is not the case. But to be honest, I'm not positive if that is the real reason or not - I haven't tried to reason it out completely for that scenario.

Considering that this Kickstarter is a one time event, why oppose the portraits? By giving $30 instead of $15, people are allowing the game to be even better than before, which affects all of us that want to play it. By enticing $15 pledgers to pledge more, we'll be more likely to hit $3million, which would get us the mod kit developed. At that point anyone can add anything they want to the game. But we're not at $3million yet, so why oppose something that may help us get there? With the mod kit, I'm sure those extra portraits will go public somewhere, like things always do, so it'll be moot.

[Stiffkittin]

Honestly, the only problem with pledger-only things is when they offer gameplay experiences that aren't available to other people. Unique ranger portraits/icons don't do that.

For those who value portraits highly, I'd figure you can probably import your own images for use as portraits anyway.

You could argue the Vision Document is a bigger deal since it tells us so much about where the game is heading, but let's be honest here, once it's out there, there'll always be ways to get it even if you're not a 30+ pledger

Have to agree with Brother None here. Something about making the vision document available to all backers just seems right in the context of this game. Access to dev videos is a fantastic idea and if Brian is serious about this thing making history he should probably invest in this anyway. Some high quality 'making of' films and extra insight into the development process would be a make or break for me if I was still down there at $15

[Shady314]

Very disappointed in the support for backer exclusive in-game content like special portraits. Looks like we aren't better than the Shadowrun Fans that overwhelmingly have asked to share their mission with all. It may be cosmetic but it's still a form of DLC. That's the sort of thing I'm fan funding to stop.

Before you ask I'm not super thrilled by the in-game skill either but it was there from day one so I didn't bother bringing it up.

[Temaperacl]

Considering that this Kickstarter is a one time event, why oppose the portraits? By giving $30 instead of $15, people are allowing the game to be even better than before, which affects all of us that want to play it. By enticing $15 pledgers to pledge more, we'll be more likely to hit $3million, which would get us the mod kit developed. At that point anyone can add anything they want to the game. But we're not at $3million yet, so why oppose something that may help us get there? With the mod kit, I'm sure those extra portraits will go public somewhere, like things always do, so it'll be moot.

Like I said, I'm not sure why I am on the fence about that scenario. This is definately different, though - this is something before the game is even out. The WL2 world is neither multiplayer, nor persistent. The items in question are not directly related to this event. This takes it comepletely out of the questionable range for me and puts it into the range that I am more sure about - people are getting different games for ordering earlier or paying a different amount which I don't support.

We've passed 900k. Sure, 3M might be nice, as would 5M or 10M, but I'm not going to be in favor of creating tiered games just to get us there. Obviously, based on the KickStarter update and final poll results, I seem to be in the minority, but I still don't view it as the right thing to do.

[Qintarra]

Very disappointed in the support for backer exclusive in-game content like special portraits. Looks like we aren't better than the Shadowrun Fans that overwhelmingly have asked to share their mission with all. It may be cosmetic but it's still a form of DLC. That's the sort of thing I'm fan funding to stop.

Before you ask I'm not super thrilled by the in-game skill either but it was there from day one so I didn't bother bringing it up.

Agreed. Looks like they went with how the majority voted, which is dissapointing. I don't have any scientific proof for it, by I suspect the people who are against this is more strongly against it compared to how much the supporters like it (I hope it's clear what I mean here, I'm struggling with the english language sometimes). If I'm correct in my assumption, following majority-vote was the wrong decision.

[Sharkey]

Like I said, I'm not sure why I am on the fence about that scenario. This is definately different, though - this is something before the game is even out. The WL2 world is neither multiplayer, nor persistent. The items in question are not directly related to this event. This takes it comepletely out of the questionable range for me and puts it into the range that I am more sure about - people are getting different games for ordering earlier or paying a different amount which I don't support.

We've passed 900k. Sure, 3M might be nice, as would 5M or 10M, but I'm not going to be in favor of creating tiered games just to get us there. Obviously, based on the KickStarter update and final poll results, I seem to be in the minority, but I still don't view it as the right thing to do.

I can respect that, but why haven't you also been arguing against the exclusive skill that everyone that pledges $15+ get?

You also have to realize that when the game does launch, it'll probably be around $30. People that didn't back the Kickstarter won't get it at the $15 price, so is that fair? They also won't be getting the Novella, soundtrack, artbook, and video docs. So is it fair that we get them and they don't? I think so since it's our money that's helping the game getting made, which is why I'm ok with the exclusive portraits as a reward.

I don't mean to attack you or anything, I'm just arguing my point of view while you're arguing for yours.

[infestor]

now that $30 tier is awesomized i actually for a second there thought of downgrading my pledge. now that the $50 tier only offers a novella and a cloth map more. but i am a sucker for large boxes so i won't change. i'm guessing the novella will be hardcopy and really hope they can make the artbook also hardcopy for 50$ tier or higher.

[zantaff]

Ok, it's official. The $30 Tier has been modified.
See it Here> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inx ... 8d082f0ade

What I'd like to see now are additions to higher tier levels!

[Sharkey]

now that $30 tier is awesomized i actually for a second there thought of downgrading my pledge. now that the $50 tier only offers a novella and a cloth map more. but i am a sucker for large boxes so i won't change. i'm guessing the novella will be hardcopy and really hope they can make the artbook also hardcopy for 50$ tier or higher.

I wouldn't expect hardcopies, just the digital format as hardcopies would cost some major money. I'd rather see that money go to the development instead. I wouldn't mind buying a hardcopy down the road though.

[Brother None]

All the novellas will be digital, yes.

[veryblackraven]

Yes, but don't forget the $55 all-digital pledge.

[Blackstang]

Thank you for adding a second download. I really want to support the Linux platform, but we all know what happens; sooner or later (usually sooner) they're going to break the game with a dependency update and then there will be no way to play it anymore. I was afraid that I'd be stuck taking the Winblows version just so I have a long term copy. Now I can grab both versions.